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Mortal Sin

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Jason76, Sep 23, 2016.

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    http://www.saintaquinas.com/mortal_sin.html

    If you do them in an unrepented state your damned, and your death could be in a car accident or some unplanned thing. However, these rules to live by cannot be lived by. There are venial sins, but all the fun ones are mortal.
     
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    If you do them you are not in an unrepented state. Damned by who? We all are going to die. Yeah, it could be in an auto accident.

    Live by your own rules. But remember, you (and you alone) are responsible for all your thoughts, words, and deeds.
     
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    According to John Calvin, if God has so chosen to damn you, there is absolutely nothing you can do to improve your situation. If God has chosen to save you, then you're going to be saved, one way or another--despite yourself.

    It's all up to God in the beginning and in the end.
     
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    Calvin founded one branch of Protestantism. His views would have nothing to do with Catholicism.

    BTW though, Calvin's views are way worse than Catholic views on mortal sin, minus the Catholic view of a never-ending hell, though Calvin also believes in a never-ending hell.
     
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    I guess I'll sit the rest of this thread out.
     
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    Calvinist was thought to be appalling in his own time.
     
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    Possibly God might cut the slack for someone who commits some terrible sin, but stays within the confines of the church somewhat, kind of like when David commited adultery and then had the adultresses husband killed. However, some mortal sinner outside the realm of a church could just die randomly of any cause and to hell he would go.

    In my own view, hell is probably a form of purgatory cause hell conflicts with God's nature, but the Vatican has never came to that conclusion, and they claim to get divine guidance.

    Again note that any sin that 99 percent of people would commit would be mortal, and the list includes: jealousy, envy, drunkeness, whoremongering, adultery, masturbation, refusing to get one's hands dirty (known as effeminacy), lying, viewing pornography...
     
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    When did God start "cutting slack"?
     
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    Don't professors cut slack with students, realizing they will make some major mistakes in the course? For instance, they might bomb the first test, but still know the grade on the final can replace it.
     
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    They might cut some slack, or they might say "consider yourself warned."
     
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    It's difficult to say what the truth is. For one thing, a never-ending hell, and I don't mean Celine Dion singing the Titanic Theme :rolleyes:, goes against God's nature. That's one thing Christian universalists were saying. Also, I'm thinking deep down, the whole hell thing might be a purgatory, even though the Bible says it's not, for the reason I gave above. But again, maybe it's not like the ending of the Willy Wonka movie (the original). :-?
     
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    Hell is unacceptable. A loving god allowing (or actively operating) an eternal concentration camp of torture for lost souls is utterly contradictory to the testimony of the prophets and of Christ himself. We may not all enter paradise, I don't know of course -- don't have a pipeline to the Truth--but I suspect that maybe those who do not enter paradise simple cease to exist. They die, and stay dead, and no more and no less than dead.

    The very fact that we have developed a much more detailed, vivid, interesting, and emotive landscape of hell than of heaven suggests that this is our creation.
     
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    I wonder then why the Catholic church holds on so strongly to such an idea. Note, since they claim the Vatican is inspired by God, they're forced to accept the idea. Of course, protestant denominations, minus the universalist ones, do the same.
     
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    Christians and Moslems both have a symmetrical "good cop / bad cop" theology. The idea of a loving god, alone in the Universe without his opposite, bothers them.

    At least some Christian theologians, pastors, and believers have demoted Satan and hell.

    Why do many people keep hell and Satan as strong features of their belief? Tradition, for one. Just tradition. Plus, it's simpler to assign final consequences to the hereafter where and when we are not responsible for managing them. The certainty of eternal bliss or misery administered by deities, is a way of freeing ourselves of the burden of taking care of the world, and ourselves. It's a way of shirking our responsibilities as a
     
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    With protestants there is the possibility of being wrong. On the other hand, with Catholics, the Vatican is a divinely inspired body and is infallible.

    At least with Catholics that's not true as salvation is something constantly worked for. On the other hand, in some Baptist or Calvinist circles, some have developed a lazy attitude, as they think they're assured of a good afterlife.
     
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